June 19, 2005

More tales of the palestinian never never land


Hey wow, I've managed to locate an even shorter version of "palestine for dummies": The mythical never never land of palestine
If only I could get everybody to read the right stuff. Hmm, somebody purrhapps. Someday..

Posted by Maria at June 19, 2005 12:00 AM
Comments & Trackbacks

I've been shouting about this article. This stuff makes me ill at heart.

Posted by: Rachel Ann at June 19, 2005 08:12 AM Permalink

Correction...my mind is a bit foggy from lack of sleep. I've been shouting about this stuff as well. Thank you for the link to this article/site.

I'll try to comment with a bit more intelligence...

Posted by: Rachel Ann at June 19, 2005 08:16 AM Permalink

I didn't read it. I think dummies need a shorter version!

Anyway, yes, I agree, of course, that the Palestinian propaganda is making massive use of the false idea of an old Palestinian state or culture. This is done with great help of Western media. It is IMPORTANT to expose this deception.

Yet, I think it's time to acknowledge that there IS a Palestinian people. It's very young, it's identity is not well formed, but it exists, and we refer to it ourselves all the time.

As Jews, we are used to think of peopls in terms of thousands of years. Of course our culture is a thousands years old, but we have to acknowledge that our culture is also changing. Much of the Jewish-Israeli culture has been created in the last decades, and is significantly different from the American-Jewish culture, for example.

We have to acknowledge that there is a Palestinian culture, though it is much a political creation. We can also see great difference (though interaction and similarity) between Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza and Israeli-Arabs (only a minority of which call themselves Palestinians). The conclusion is that cultures and peoples can be formed withihn decades.

Now I have to go to a class.

Posted by: Orly at June 19, 2005 10:30 AM Permalink

I didn't mean that Palestinian Arabs didn't exist or didn't have any sort of culture, but the Palestinian idea is young. Actually, as far as I know, during the Ottoman era, even the Arab identity was week. It doesn't mean that there was no Arab culture, but the Arab world wasn't one unit (it's also hetrogenic today, but it units mainly for political purposes). As far as I know, an Arab person's affiliation was mainly to his/her village/town/tribe.

And yes, Jewish communities worldwide also developed their own local cultures in addition to the Jewish culture or religion. But the fact is that the Jewish people survived.

Posted by: Orly at June 19, 2005 02:27 PM Permalink

Well, the age of a culture or nation is IRRELEVANT for their political rigths.

If the Palestinians wanna became an independent state in Gaza and most of West Bannk, as long as they and the rest of Arabs fully recognize Israel, that is fine for me

Posted by: Kantor at June 19, 2005 08:57 PM Permalink

If it is IRRELEVANT, than why do so many Palestinian spokesmen insist that Jesus was a Palestinian, and King David was a Palestinian?

I AGREE with you that there are many more other relevant things, but a culture's age IS relevant. Otherwise, why was the Jewish State established in the Land of Israel? And perhaps the newly shaping Muslim culture in France, for example, should be recognized and given a state?

Posted by: Orly at June 21, 2005 11:32 AM Permalink

BTW The Palestinian flag doesn't have any text on it.

Posted by: Orly at June 21, 2005 11:35 AM Permalink

yeah I know it doesn't, but this was the only one of its kind I could find..

Posted by: Maria at June 28, 2005 02:45 AM Permalink